tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1669595284088933931.post8363135217433726125..comments2023-05-30T07:15:02.711-07:00Comments on Free Speech Emergency in Latvia: Nationalists turn dangerous dogs on bad journalismJuris Kažahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10052208772017734513noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1669595284088933931.post-4168085661519178682012-04-13T08:31:43.374-07:002012-04-13T08:31:43.374-07:00Dear Juris,
It all depends upon how good your law...Dear Juris,<br /><br />It all depends upon how good your lawyer is.<br /><br />"Of course wilted and dried flowers are removed from the foot of the monument. No one objects." -<br /><br />Nowhere it says that only the dry flowers will be removed. Nowhere it says that your flowers or wreaths will remain there after your event is over. Basically only for the length of your officially allowed event you have a guarantee that the stuff you lay will remain where you put it.<br /><br />"adding on to a wreath is a bit strange" -<br /><br />Maybe. And placing the wreath there is even more strange in the first place. As those who put the wreath (why did they do it on this particular day btw, eh? Right! For provocation.) knew what effect it will have.<br /><br />"the Anti-Fascist wreath could have been moved to one side" - <br /><br />Right! The monument has 4 sides. So it could had been moved to the back side, facing Moscow, the one which drunken British tourists so often mistaken for a public toilet. ;) I mean, if you are moving it from its initial place, then it does not matter how far actually are you moving it. You anyway violate the initial arrangements of the owners of the wreath. So why not move it away from the sight completely? All the four sides of the monument are public, so why not?<br /><br />Again - The basic idea is that you may put your things wherever you want them for as long as your event is ongoing. When it is over, so is your right to dictate what must go on at the Monument.<br /><br />We shall not forget that the "Antifascists" (quotation marks are essential, as they are not real Antifascists) created this conflict intentionally. I don't think it is a good time to try to be over-the-edge politically correct here. They were provocateurs. That is all. The rest is irrelevant details. Let's not lose the forest behind the trees.<br /><br />Any good lawyer in a court will smash claims of these so called "Antifascists" to pieces.Disagreenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1669595284088933931.post-91127493611399255422012-04-13T01:47:43.917-07:002012-04-13T01:47:43.917-07:00Disagree,
Of course wilted and dried flowers are r...Disagree,<br />Of course wilted and dried flowers are removed from the foot of the monument. No one objects. But adding on to a wreath is a bit strange, as is covering it with Legion shoulder flash, which could have been placed with whatever wreath the organizers brought themselves. Or the Anti-Fascist wreath could have been moved to one side. I may have to check the films again, but no one suggested, let's move your wreath a meter to one side, thank you... etc. Of course, both sides were excited and angry.Juris Kažahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10052208772017734513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1669595284088933931.post-26137335068384515132012-04-13T01:08:22.073-07:002012-04-13T01:08:22.073-07:00"This was, by any standard, an act of vandali..."This was, by any standard, an act of vandalism"<br /><br />No. It was not.<br />Not at all.<br /><br />The wreath was neither desecrated nor damaged. Quite the opposite, it was covered in flowers. Well, the sign of the legion was indeed placed in front of it, but it was supposed to be there initially, it was not placed there just to cover the wreath. There was no vandalism of any sort at all.<br /><br />The wreath itself was placed there in scope of the previous event. Which was over by the time we are speaking about here. Thus the layers of the wreath could not reasonably expect that that their special arrangements will be maintained forever.<br /><br />The next officially allowed event was about to start. And it needed its own arrangements, as all the public events do. Therefore the decorations at the monument were adjusted accordingly - without damaging any property.<br /><br />What the real fuss is about is that the ribbons were, as they say, torn off the wreath. But then we must remember that it was actually the so called "Antifascists" themselves who in fact did it. As it was them who initiated the struggle around the wreath and were pulling it by the ribbons to reinstate it in the place where it did not belong in the currently ongoing event.<br /><br />"different floral arrangements have always peacefully co-existed" - Exactly. The "Antifascists" just had to wait till the commemoration ceremony was over, and then they could come and rearrange the flowers and the wreath to their liking three times over. Because then their rights and the rights of the people of the other event would be equal.<br /><br />Instead they chose to disrupt the officially allowed meeting, making poorly motivated demands, finally even trying to use force. And they did it with the single goal - to initiate a provocation, to create a show for Russian TV and their team members.<br /><br />All this was just a provocation for a show, nothing else. Planned beforehand and executed in accordance to the plan.<br /><br />P.S.<br />Yes, the real reason for worry here is the Russian TV channel "PBK" brutally fabricating false propaganda to promote ethnic hatred. That indeed is a reason for concern.Disagreenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1669595284088933931.post-43043844573428272292012-04-12T21:54:56.256-07:002012-04-12T21:54:56.256-07:00Indeed good points and good that you wrote about i...Indeed good points and good that you wrote about it.Matthiashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18140475592204278017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1669595284088933931.post-57888195350090572722012-04-12T14:32:10.483-07:002012-04-12T14:32:10.483-07:00Tā jau runā, ka Latvijā esot vērojama t.s. leģionā...Tā jau runā, ka Latvijā esot vērojama t.s. leģionāru slimības uzliesmojumu virkne! ;) <br /><br />In short words: the Russian TV deliberately falsified quotation from Latvian guy's direct speech, overdubbing his comment with a nazi-sounding text that included the «J-word». <br /><br />Free speech principles grants us rights to speak truth. It does not include rights to falsify anybody else's sayings with intent to stir up ethnical and/or political confrontation. <br /><br />Still, I agree that such a stupid matter should not be treated like a real crime :)Imantsnoreply@blogger.com